Competition on ScribbleTalk?

[lene]

Hi
Please forgive me if this idea is putting too much work on the moderators shoulders - I wouldn't know what it takes of administration :rolleyes: ... and I do know you already spend a lot of time on this Site.

But I dare it: How about a ScribbleTalk Site-competition for the members ?

I actually have the idea from another site (other painting-media based). Their comp. looks something like this:
they have different comps., but one is a yearly Site-competition, any member can participate. Media + different rules are given by the moderators. The subject could either be fixed or be of free choise.
They want a minimum of 20 entries for the competition otherwise it is cancelled. And the rules/media has to be respected in any entry. 1. and 2. price are sponsored (I think both sponsors (banner-owners), moderators and members has sponsored prices). There is (of cause) a deadline, and the winner been chosen either by the votes of viewers or by moderators as judges. (I cannot remember in which competitions they use which).

What do ya think :blushing: ?

[Gemma]

This is something we have discussed between us. We were thinking of doing it for the giveaway and then decided to just do the giveaway instead. We may consider doing this in the future but, currently we just don't have the extra time to do it.

There's a couple of things to consider:
1. Who would be the judge and if it's any of the ST administrators will everyone be happy with that and not feel we are playing favoratism?
2. Would we have a theme?
3. Will there be prizes for the winners?
4. If there are prizes how will we pay for them? Maybe we can get sponsors or something like that but again..... this takes time and voluteers to contact vendors to contribute to the prizes.

Well these were some of the questions that came up when we were discussing it amonst ourselves. What does everyone think of this? Any ideas out there?

Gemma

[Bill C]

The other thing we discussed is the broad range of artists we have here. How to make it fun and fair for beginners and pros alike. We discussed multiple levels of awards. We also thought an outside judge would be best. This would take a good bit of planning and work so would be best for a slow time of the year, LOL, if there is such a thing!

[Hezzy]

Sounds fun! Prizes could be paid for by having a small entrance fee. A couple of dollars per entry... I am game!

[Arlene]

i personally don't like the idea because of the broad range of skill levels here as well as whoever is picked it's the choice of one judge...or two...I sure would hate for anyone to feel they were slighted in any way.

[rosemary]

No use to repeat, but I agree with Arlene. Scribbletalk is such a blessing to me personally, to be able to let others see all the beastly stuff I do, and not at all feel that someone is right there in my face with their critiques. It is so nice that you can be right out there showing your efforts and work and yet not feel too much heat and disagreeableness when one of your pieces gets poked at goodnaturedly and with learning going on too you can go right on working on it. Rosemary

[Dorell]

I recently clicked on "People's Choice Award" on one of the FMP shows on the Ann Kullberg site, to pick my favourite piece on display. I suppose that's a way to stop it being one person's decision.

Different types of award could include:
Funniest (hopefully intentional :eek: )
Most adventurous
Biggest (I guess that would be Lori's!)
"Feel good" award (the one that makes you glow inside when you look at it)
Most technically demanding

....... you get the idea? I'm sure others could think of more appropriate catagories :rolleyes:
All I mean is that it doesn't have to be "THE BEST".


I do, however, see it from both sides and understand why some would find it intimidating.

On the other hand, if you think you may feel this way if you don't 'win', then no-one need feel pressurised into entering at all...? It may even encourage someone to start / finish some work that otherwise would still be 'on the drawing board' (so to speak :o ).

Anyway... just my tuppence worth. I'm happy either way :)

[lene]

Hi
Gemma - I certainly understand the timeconsuming problem of this + all the things to consider ...
1. If anyone would find it difficult to have administrators as judges, the vote from viewers/public could be an idea.
2. This caused great discussion on the watercolor-site I referr to. It seemed that having a fixed theme/subject would favor some and limit others to participate. But I think that would depend on how "broad" the theme was. Example: Like in "flower" vs "plants" or "nature". Personally I would prefer either "no theme" or a rather broad one.
3. Well, if sponsors are not availiable, Hezzys idea on a small entry fee could work or how about the price being: a nice Diploma "Winner of the xxx contest on ScribbleTalk" etc. If the Judges were administrators they could supply with some nice words describing their choise. If public where judges it could just say: "choosen among xxx entries as publics favorite". That would feel nice for the winner(s) I should think. Won't cost many dimes either
4. see no. 3

Bill and Arlene:
I do recognize the problem in levels of skills. This could be la problem to both newbies and advanced artists. But that difference is not cared for in most competitions I think .... like any of the colored pencil-competitions I know about. It is difficult to solve because if people should place themselves in any category that could cause complaints from others (most likely if people felt someone placed themselves "lower").
One solution could be:
Dorells idea of different kind of prices in 1 competition, could very well be combined with a Diploma as price (see no. 3 above)
I understand the conflict of being moderator and judge. See no. 1 above

Why did I suggest this in the first place;
I just love any kind of competition - in the meaning of having fun and trying to accomplish a result that I am satisfied with and would "dare" to enter amongst fellow-artists. Well, to win is always a great feeling, but to me it is more a question of "being in the race" than being the winner. I would be damn proud to have a Diploma on my wall (or in my port-folio) - sure - but I wouldn't be intimidated if not being a winner ;) - I would rather feel it as encouragement to get even better.
When I sit down a play cards or any game with my friends I would sure love to win :cool: - but there wouldn't be any hard feelings amongst friends I think. (and in these cases they even sometimes wins money FROM me :p :o )
This competition amongst friends is how I feel about a competition / a game with ScribbleTalk members too :)

[lene]

sorry forgot to reply to you Rosemary:
I do not see a conflict between 1) being able to post wips and drawings for critique at whatever drawing-level and 2) participating in a (friendly) competition with the best drawing you can accomplish.
Also participating in competitions is for sure a free choise :)

[Debee]

I think a member competition would be fun. Not for prizes, just for fun.
I wouldn't have a problem with our admins judging. Not just one person, but 3. That way it isn't weighting on one persons shoulders if someone "gets there bloomers in a bunch" OR to have voting done by the members themselves. (that could become a popularity contest)
You have to be able to have tough skin in the art world because not everyone is going to think your the greatest artist out there, that's the job of our family members. :D
As for categories it would proably need to be based on medium and then on level. Beginner, intermediate, and advanced.
It is an awful lot of work for already busy admins. Is there a way your loyal subjects can help?

[MadMur]

Myself and another ran a sort of treasure hunt on another site and we offered one of our prints as prizes. It wasn't an art competition, but the winners were choosen by drawing their names out of a hat. When it's the "luck of the draw" I don't think anyone could get offended by that :)

The same thing could be done with an art competition....any skill level would be fine and you get an entry just for participating :D




Murray :dance2:

[lene]

sorry - when writing price I mean prize :blushing:

[Arlene]

Myself and another ran a sort of treasure hunt on another site and we offered one of our prints as prizes. It wasn't an art competition, but the winners were choosen by drawing their names out of a hat. When it's the "luck of the draw" I don't think anyone could get offended by that :)

The same thing could be done with an art competition....any skill level would be fine and you get an entry just for participating :D




Murray :dance2:anotherwords an online exhibition with prizes out of the hat...I would love to have an online exhibition, but why do we need to turn it into a competition

i really do feel there are enough competitions out there for those who want to participate. I participate in several. But, our art is our babies and when someone wins and others lose there are hurt feelings...even if we don't admit it in public. And it's those hurt feelings I don't want to bring onto ST.

I spend so much time here trying to get others to be happy with the process and not worry constantly about the outcome. The need to make "perfect" art tends to stiffle those who are not that secure about their art...Having an art competiton would I believe feed into the insecurities.

[Bill C]

I agree Arlene! I'm a veryyyyyyy competitive person, LOL, but would hate to see a competition at Scribble Talk. I'd rather see us continue to encourage each other and grow in our art and leave the competitions for elsewhere.

[lene]

i really do feel there are enough competitions out there for those who want to participate. I participate in several. But, our art is our babies and when someone wins and others lose there are hurt feelings...even if we don't admit it in public. And it's those hurt feelings I don't want to bring onto ST.


.... I don't wanna have anybodys feelings hurt either grouphug , so comp must be out of the question I think :o - the explanation why I am the person suggesting this could be that in Denmark I have seen NO ONE drawing or painting with colored pencils like I see UK and US artist do (+ me :blushing: ) - hence no competitions to enter in my neighbourhood. Well, now I have joined UKCPS and they have 2 yearly ;)

I would love to have an online exhibition, but why do we need to turn it into a competition
great idea :D

[Dorell]

Exhibition sounds good to me :)

[Hezzy]

I think an exhibition would be a great idea! I could send an announcement to the Atlanta Artist Center and they might print a little notice about where people could view our exhibit on line. Maybe more people would become interested in CP & Drawing...

[Norma69]

Further to this conversation - How about a real hall of Fame - An area to show off the pics that ST members either got recognition for or awards from other areas - No Comments accepted - congrats via pm or some other method (I seem to miss so many of these awards) - something like a Image library (or does this cost money?) I would really enjoy studying and gazing at our members sucesses .... all in one place .. it sort of excludes favoritism - when someone else has deemed them as winners...
Just a thought - but we have so darn many super artists on this site - (never mind how busy they are)... a collection should boost membership a whole bunch - what do you all think ?

Norma

[Roses]

I enjoy the weekly drawing event at Wet Canvas. It is somewhat of a showcase with no prizes and gets me trying types of pictures that I may not have attempted otherwise.

[Bill C]

Further to this conversation - How about a real hall of Fame - An area to show off the pics that ST members either got recognition for or awards from other areas - No Comments accepted - congrats via pm or some other method (I seem to miss so many of these awards) - something like a Image library (or does this cost money?) I would really enjoy studying and gazing at our members sucesses .... all in one place .. it sort of excludes favoritism - when someone else has deemed them as winners...
Just a thought - but we have so darn many super artists on this site - (never mind how busy they are)... a collection should boost membership a whole bunch - what do you all think ?

Norma


I like this idea Norma, a place for award winners.

[Hezzy]

I like Norma's idea too!

[Lahree]

I like the idea of award winner's showcase too--but maybe include entries that got into a juried show(s)?

[Norma69]

Lori, I meant that in my suggestion - However with the way things are going with ST members could turn into a big file pretty soon :D

Norma

[Lahree]

Lori, I meant that in my suggestion - However with the way things are going with ST members could turn into a big file pretty soon :D

Norma

Hooray for us! :D

[Arlene]

Lori, I meant that in my suggestion - However with the way things are going with ST members could turn into a big file pretty soon :D

Normawouldn't that be great? :D

[artfulscribe]

I think the Hall of Fame idea for juried/prized work is fantastic, on so many different levels! Gives those who've been recognized an opportunity to savor it, gives those who haven't something to strive for, and it gives potential ST members a glimpse of the quality/level of professionalism to be found on this site. It's win-win all-around.

(As usual, though...more work for our poor moderators, LOL. We sure do love to run you ragged with all our great "ideas," don't we! :blushing: )

Roxana

[Katydid]

i am not a competitive person but would love to see what others have entered - it would be a learning experience.

my only question is could you all protect your work here? i know you share freely with us, but do you post your work if you intend to enter it in a competition? i have seen some here i know, but anyone could save your work to their computer.

just thinking out load here - LOL - no one would want to copy mine :D

[Arlene]

you'll find we now have the award winners forum HERE (http://www.scribbletalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=39)

[Lahree]

Will each piece of art have its own thread? Just curious. :) I was thinking along the lines of a virtual gallery, where you could look at the drawings in the same thread, with a listing with the post of what shows the art has been juried into or awards the piece was won. :)

[Bill C]

Will each piece of art have its own thread? Just curious. :) I was thinking along the lines of a virtual gallery, where you could look at the drawings in the same thread, with a listing with the post of what shows the art has been juried into or awards the piece was won. :)


Thats what I was thinking too Lori, the images in one place with no replies, just a gallery.

[oozoo]

Quite a number of our members are already competing in the wider world...in shows and in the marketplace for commissions. I'm afraid that it would change the lovely supportive tone of ST if we started having competitions here. I rely so much on this place, not just for technical advice and education, but also for a feeling of family. I would hate to see that change.

[GWESQ]

we could change it to that. i'm not quite sure how to do that, so would have to ask gemma. oops...this is Arlene

[Norma69]

I agree with what Bill, Lori and I said - one thread no replies. If one feels strongly about commenting pm the contributor. Makes for a place for just gazing at all the talent we have here. Just my two bits worth. - for what its worth

Norma

[Arlene]

the problem with that is the thread could wind up being 100 pages long with multiple posts of the same drawing... what happens when one enters the same artwork into multiple competitions.
how about we be able to start threads with our art for commentary (as bill and I had done), but have a sticky thread with a picture of the art, size and name only. You'd have to pm a mod to upload it to the sticky as it would be closed for replies. Then there'd also be a link shown with your artwork in the sticky to YOUR thread about your art.

This way if you enter multiple competitions and are accepted with the piece, you can post them all in your one thread.

For example: I start a thread for my piece When Time Stopped because I won an award. Two months from now, my piece is accepted into the XYZ competition. By finding my drawing in the stickly thread with the link to the commentary thread about When Time Stopped, I can then let others know it was also accepted into the XYZ show.

so what you'd do when you are juried in or win something is start a thread in the new forum and pm a mod to add the pic into the sticky hall of fame thread.

Also notice I changed the wording just a bit so that anyone who is accepted into a JURIED competition can post. After all, just being accepted is a HUGE accomplishment too.

[Bill C]

Perfect Arlene! While the kudos are nice we don't really need them again. Your way would keep the threads short. I like it!

[Norma69]

I agree with Bill - Great solution - Thanks

Norma


Is the hall of fame from this date forward or also for those who won something recently - not that I have, but just asking for those that have won prizes seems to me there have been quite a number in the last six months

Just thought I'd ask :)

[lene]

Perfect Arlene! While the kudos are nice we don't really need them again. Your way would keep the threads short. I like it!

sorry, I have made comments on yours and Arlenes posts in Hall of Fame, I had not read this first ....
:(

[Lahree]

the problem with that is the thread could wind up being 100 pages long with multiple posts of the same drawing... what happens when one enters the same artwork into multiple competitions.
how about we be able to start threads with our art for commentary (as bill and I had done), but have a sticky thread with a picture of the art, size and name only. You'd have to pm a mod to upload it to the sticky as it would be closed for replies. Then there'd also be a link shown with your artwork in the sticky to YOUR thread about your art.

This way if you enter multiple competitions and are accepted with the piece, you can post them all in your one thread.

For example: I start a thread for my piece When Time Stopped because I won an award. Two months from now, my piece is accepted into the XYZ competition. By finding my drawing in the stickly thread with the link to the commentary thread about When Time Stopped, I can then let others know it was also accepted into the XYZ show.

so what you'd do when you are juried in or win something is start a thread in the new forum and pm a mod to add the pic into the sticky hall of fame thread.

Also notice I changed the wording just a bit so that anyone who is accepted into a JURIED competition can post. After all, just being accepted is a HUGE accomplishment too.


I was thinking along the same lines, just a variation. I thought in the sticky threads we could have the image, size, name and a list of the juried shows/awards posted with it (this is where is varies from your idea) with no commentary. Each time a HOF sticky thread drawing wins something or gets accepted into something new, we'd have to ask a mod to enter that information into the sticky thread. That would be a drawback for the mods, however, because they would have to go in and add to the list.

I was thinking of that because a lot of the art (like my Ms.Shell) has already been posted and had commentary and it's been a long time ago for most of it. In fact, most all of the art that will be in the sticky thread has already been posted and received commentary. So, I could see posting a commentary thread when a art work that is not already IN the sticky thread wins something and merits being added to the sticky thread. I hope y'all understand what I am rambling on about. Certainly if a previously posted and commented on work wins something (or gets juried into something) new the artist would want to announce it to everyone and my suggestion is that it is announced in the Scribbler's Cafe and the aforementioned award be added to the list in the sticky thread.

I want to make it clear that I am talking about this forum ONLY. Every art works deserves commentary and critique (if requested) and we have forums for this. I am talking about the award winning thread only.

Clear as mud? :)

[Arlene]

clearer then mud. my thoughts and if you disagree, please let me know is that the cafe announcements are only up for a week...and many times it's buried in other stuff in the cafe thread. this way it's all in one forum, with each piece of art having ONE thread for a particular piece of art.

As for the posting of the awards in each of the drawings in the gallery, I felt it would add even more work for the mods, and that it would be easier just for a mod to post the picture in the gallery with name, artist name, size and link. Then in the thread the artist started they could give any additional details they felt was pertinent.

[Lahree]

Yes, as stated in my post, I realize my suggestion would be more work for the poor mods. :(

How about if the artists who have something to submit to the sticky choose whether or not to post a commentary thread as well? In my case, "Ms.Shell" has been posted in several venues and has been commented on and critiqued, so I don't feel it needs a commentary thread. I don't want people getting sick of me posting it. :)

[Arlene]

that's fine too...